Re: Telvent, Metso, Neles, Valmet, or Sentrol

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Telvent, Metso, Neles, Valmet, or Sentrol

til 12-28-2007, 11:09 AM
Anyone using opto 22 devices with SCADA systems from Telvent, (fka Metso, Neles, Valmet, and Sentrol)?
I'd like to replace the legacy RTUs in our Telvent DNA system with Opto 22 controllers; however, I need to reassure my supervisor that it's already been successfully accomplished by a number of others.

Re: Telvent, Metso, Neles, Valmet, or Sentrol

gmitchell 01-03-2008, 1:10 AM

It’s important to know what industry application you are thinking of integrating Opto22 and Telvents OASyS DNA SCADA System.

You will need to find out what standard comms protocols are allowed for the version of OASyS you have installed. Many are specific industry related and not all versions of OASyS allow open communications to third party hardware. You do not want to present having to upgrade/change the SCADA system just to talk to Opto22 hardware!

One you know this, Opto22 can help you present a “preferred protocol” and the “best-fit” hardware solution to match. I am confident that Opto22 have these available for Telvent integration.

Opto22 have hundreds of RTU applications as examples working worldwide with different SCADA and management software, but this will probably not convince your supervisor or anyone else. In order to convince them, you will have to show Opto22 RTU hardware connected to your SCADA system and working. I am sure if you have a business case Opto22 can help you with the technical details and demo hardware.

One final advice. I do not think you will get much direct help from Telnet in proving DNA/OPTO22 connectivity. At the end of the day Opto22 will be considered a competitive product and something that Telvent do not “control”.

Telvents origins are the Spanish companies Abengoa and Sainco. Optomation Systems in Spain could be a good contact for you.

Re: Telvent, Metso, Neles, Valmet, or Sentrol

til 01-04-2008, 7:44 AM
Thank you for your informative replies gmitchell,

Actually we already have two Opto22 Ultimate brains successfully 'talking' to the DNA SCADA system; however, they are incorporated in lesser roles than the RTU's which we need to upgrade, so comm protocols are not an issue.
We were able to program the brains to communicate with the SCADA system to use a different protocol than one of those built-in to the Opto22; this is one of the great things about the Opto, the flexibility to make it work in any given application.
Technically, I'm confident that Opto22 is a perfect fit; there's strength in numbers when it comes to convincing less-technical decision makers to spend money.
I'm sure Columbus would have gotten his ships in 1486 rather than having to wait until 1492 if he had been able to present 'examples of successful voyages to the new world' to Ferdinand and Isabella; I don't have 'six years' to convince, therefore I'm looking for others who have taken this particular voyage.
Jim Bowman of Opto22 gave me some excellent leads, and to quote part of his response to me, "...there are thousands of our RTU products in other pipeline, water, and utility applications. The problem I have in getting you information about those is that they were sold through our distribution network and God only knows who has them."
So I'm hoping that someone who as applied Opto22 'via a distributor' would contact me in response to this post.
In another post you mentioned Arun Sinha, how can I get in touch with this person?
Thanks again,
Vincent Sumoski

Re: Telvent, Metso, Neles, Valmet, or Sentrol

gmitchell 01-08-2008, 4:59 AM

Bad analogy Vincent! Columbus was a perfect example of what "Italians Do Best". He failed to convince anyone in Italy to hand over unaccountable amounts of money to "finance" a project to reach India and China sailing the long and wrong way round the world. After the whole plan was rubber stamped as "No Business Case" in Italy, armed only with a couple of powerpoint presentations he then touted around Europe in seach of some extremely rich people with an extremely poor sense of geography!

Ironically this was probably the first case of someone disappearing to South America with the cash, (before the continent was even discovered!).

Although not many people realise this, Columbus was actually a Regional Sales Manager. After landing in the Bahamas (Not America!) in 1492 he promptly proclaimed that he had reached India, blessed the land "San Salvador" and rebranded the existing population as "Indians", before quickly returning to corporate headquarters back in Spain to hand in his expense claim.

In the first recorded "Official Upgrade Offer", he then obtained additional financing to again return to finally discover the "New World" coastline in 1498, some 6 years after the official "Press Release for Inmediate Publication". Needless to say after this time the projects original funcional specification had been long forgotten, superceeded and generally lost in archives.

Financial backing from Spain, did however help fund a "stopover" at his wifes family home in Porto Santo, where the whole family enjoyed a holiday on company expenses, even including his brother, Bartholomew, who by coincidence Columbus had employed as a "documentation specialist" for the voyage. Some things never change!

On a slightly more serious note, talk to Arun at Opto22. You will find his details on the corporate contact page. He will be able to put you in touch with the right Opto22 sales and marketing people you will need in order to convince your management.

http://www.opto22.com/site/co_corporate_contacts.aspx

Regards

George

Re: Telvent, Metso, Neles, Valmet, or Sentrol

gmitchell 01-08-2008, 6:17 AM
Sorry. With all this history, forgot to ask you what industry are you hoping to apply Opto22 in. I still think its important. Water is not gas is not electricity is not road tunnels. We have >2500 RTU's used for gas metering remote monitoring for Gas Natural and Endesa Gas in Spain. Any help? Germany has a huge installed Opto22 base for water distribution. Greece is big in road and tunnel monoitoring. Whats your sport?

Re: Telvent, Metso, Neles, Valmet, or Sentrol

til 01-08-2008, 10:41 AM
Bad analogy my foot! A guy named Walnuts along with a former member of the E-Street Band grabbed their fig-forth and are on their way to re-program your thought processes and 'modify' your PC into an Altair 8800. It seems they took offense at your portrayal of C. Columbus.
Thanks for the info, I'll contact Arun.

We transport Gas and Oil. Does either Gas Natural or Endesa Gas use Telvent?

Thanks Again,
Vincent Sumoski

Re: Telvent, Metso, Neles, Valmet, or Sentrol

gmitchell 01-08-2008, 1:59 PM

Sopranos. Wasn’t that some show about girl singers on HBO, for people who didn’t understand SATC??

Telvent has sold to Gas Natural, although for this project GN preferred to connect Opto22 controllers directly to web portal servers over GPRS links. (How to do remote monitoring once you have got fed up of SCADAs) One day all remote monitoring will be done this way!

Here’s a couple of links from Telvent who advertise the use of Opto22 on some large gas projects. As with most large suppliers the end customers are really secret. I would suggest you get Opto22 to contact their sales network in Texas and in Canada as the most likely source of references for you.

http://www.telvent.com.au/customers/case_studies/gas/gas_profile_1.pdf

http://www.telvent.com.au/customers/case_studies/gas/gas_profile_2.pdf

P.S. What's a PC? I’m using a ZX80 in our nuclear power station!